The most important thread you will read.

[TruthBeTold]

Oftentimes we hear that Islam is a religion of peace when in fact there are over one hundred verses against infidels, which are people who do not embrace Islam as their religion. The infidels can be your sons, daughters, parents and friends, and are all under the command of violence according to the Qur’an. It is no wonder after reading these verses from the Qur’an that terrorism is happening everyday around us.


Sura 9:73: O Prophet! strive hard [wage war] against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell, - an evil refuge indeed.

Sura 25:52: So obey not the unbelievers and fight strenuously with them in many a strenuous fight.

Sura 48:29: "Those who follow Muhammad are merciless for the unbelievers but kind to each other."

Sura 60:4: We have renounced you; and enmity and hatred is begun between us and you for ever, until ye believe in Allah alone

Sura 66:9: O Prophet! make war on the infidels and hypocrites, and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their abode! and wretched the passage to it!

Sura 5:51: O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily God guideth not a people unjust.

These are examples of only a few of over 100 verses that are written against unbelievers. But that is not all, we must investigate the person of Mohammed, whom Muslims claim to be holy. He married a child named Aisha when she was but 6 years of age and consummated the marriage when she was 9 years of age, this is clearly pedophilia.

Muhammad killed and banished several Jewish tribes, among them are B. Qainuqa’, B. Nadir, B. Quraiza, B. Mustaliq, B. Jaun and the Jews of Khaibar. On his deathbed, he instructed his followers to cleanse the Arabian Peninsula of all non-believers, an order that Omar, the second Caliph carried out later. He exterminated the Jews, the Christians and the pagans, forcing them to convert, leave or put them to death.

Muhammad allowed his men to rape the women captured in raids. In the Qur’an, Muhammad’s god made it legal to have intercourse with slave women, the so-called “right hand possessions,” even if they were married before their capture. (Sura 4:24 and 33:50)

Among other things, he killed, tortured, raped, terrorized, looted and forced people to convert or die, this is the man Muslims follow and this is why there is so much violence happening around us as a result of this religion. Political correctness has a limit. Faithfreedom (http://www.faithfreedom.org)

[sunil]

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you almost got the image right

most muslims are NOT the ones you see on tv. mainly because they are dead but because most of them have common sense and know murder = bad.

[coolie]

Oftentimes we hear that Islam is a religion of peace when in fact there are over one hundred verses against infidels, which are people who do not embrace Islam as their religion. The infidels can be your sons, daughters, parents and friends, and are all under the command of violence according to the Qur’an. It is no wonder after reading these verses from the Qur’an that terrorism is happening everyday around us.


Sura 9:73: O Prophet! strive hard [wage war] against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell, - an evil refuge indeed.

Sura 25:52: So obey not the unbelievers and fight strenuously with them in many a strenuous fight.

Sura 48:29: "Those who follow Muhammad are merciless for the unbelievers but kind to each other."

Sura 60:4: We have renounced you; and enmity and hatred is begun between us and you for ever, until ye believe in Allah alone

Sura 66:9: O Prophet! make war on the infidels and hypocrites, and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their abode! and wretched the passage to it!

Sura 5:51: O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily God guideth not a people unjust.

[COLOR="sandybrown"]These are examples of only a few of over 100 verses that are written against unbelievers. But that is not all, we must investigate the person of Mohammed, whom Muslims claim to be holy. He married a child named Aisha when she was but 6 years of age and consummated the marriage when she was 9 years of age, this is clearly pedophilia.

Muhammad killed and banished several Jewish tribes, among them are B. Qainuqa’, B. Nadir, B. Quraiza, B. Mustaliq, B. Jaun and the Jews of Khaibar. On his deathbed, he instructed his followers to cleanse the Arabian Peninsula of all non-believers, an order that Omar, the second Caliph carried out later. He exterminated the Jews, the Christians and the pagans, forcing them to convert, leave or put them to death.

Muhammad allowed his men to rape the women captured in raids. In the Qur’an, Muhammad’s god made it legal to have intercourse with slave women, the so-called “right hand possessions,” even if they were married before their capture. (Sura 4:24 and 33:50)

Among other things, he killed, tortured, raped, terrorized, looted and forced people to convert or die, this is the man Muslims follow and this is why there is so much violence happening around us as a result of this religion. Political correctness has a limit.

If you wish to find out more please go to:

links removed.

you're an idiot.

[TruthBeTold]

most muslims are NOT the ones you see on tv. mainly because they are dead but because most of them have common sense and know murder = bad.

Which is precisely why we see so much murdering and terrorism in the middle east on a daily basis, we see women oppressed and all other cultures and religions persecuted. The only reason you don't see much of it in the West is because they do not yet have control. So much for the "Religion of Peace".

[WarriorAngel]

I especially love that muslim show where the rabbit tells the little kid " If they ever make a picture of muhamed again we'll kill the infidels ( Denmark).

[Chaz]

you're an idiot.

he's new. He'll learn


I especially love that muslim show where the rabbit tells the little kid " If they ever make a picture of muhamed again we'll kill the infidels ( Denmark).

uhhhh...

[Mystic]

Totally agree with coolie. You're an idiot. You cannot single out muslims as being terrorists when the IRA (who are Irish Catholics) have been a terrorist organization for many years and have done pretty much the same thing yet i dont see a thread here saying anything about catholics. Open your eyes retard and dont be so naive to what the media have been saying about muslims. One day go to a Mosque and hear about what they talk about.

[sunil]

hes not new hes avenger, so don't hold back.

[TruthBeTold]

Totally agree with coolie. You're an idiot. You cannot single out muslims as being terrorists when the IRA (who are Irish Catholics) have been a terrorist organization for many years and have done pretty much the same thing yet i dont see a thread here saying anything about catholics. Open your eyes retard and dont be so naive to what the media have been saying about muslims. One day go to a Mosque and hear about what they talk about.

Once you stop being ignorant you will see what is around you. Read my post again and read what is in the scriptures, then make an argument against it. Your ranting is precisely what the media has told YOU. Do you want to see what they teach at a Mosque, fine by me click on this Youtube video of the biggest Mosque in Britain and see what it teaches.

Undercover Mosque - Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gs24KykIGz0)

Once you wake up and start checking things out for yourself feel free to come back. Otherwise click on the $50,000 challenge and try to refute it.

hes not new hes avenger, so don't hold back.


Im new to these forums.

[Mystic]

Religion is all about the way you interpret it. Some have the common sense to know it is wrong to kill. Others don't. You cant make an accusation like that about anyone.

[TruthBeTold]

Religion is all about the way you interpret it. Some have the common sense to know it is wrong to kill. Others don't. You cant make an accusation like that about anyone.

Indeed. However in Britain now Sharia Courts is a reality and if people keep putting it aside then who knows what else will begin to happen.

[[TSC]/[LN] Orign]

Oftentimes we hear that Islam is a religion of peace when in fact there are over one hundred verses against infidels, which are people who do not embrace Islam as their religion. The infidels can be your sons, daughters, parents and friends, and are all under the command of violence according to the Qur’an. It is no wonder after reading these verses from the Qur’an that terrorism is happening everyday around us.


Sura 9:73: O Prophet! strive hard [wage war] against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell, - an evil refuge indeed.

Sura 25:52: So obey not the unbelievers and fight strenuously with them in many a strenuous fight.

Sura 48:29: "Those who follow Muhammad are merciless for the unbelievers but kind to each other."

Sura 60:4: We have renounced you; and enmity and hatred is begun between us and you for ever, until ye believe in Allah alone

Sura 66:9: O Prophet! make war on the infidels and hypocrites, and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their abode! and wretched the passage to it!

Sura 5:51: O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily God guideth not a people unjust.

[COLOR="sandybrown"]These are examples of only a few of over 100 verses that are written against unbelievers. But that is not all, we must investigate the person of Mohammed, whom Muslims claim to be holy. He married a child named Aisha when she was but 6 years of age and consummated the marriage when she was 9 years of age, this is clearly pedophilia.

Muhammad killed and banished several Jewish tribes, among them are B. Qainuqa’, B. Nadir, B. Quraiza, B. Mustaliq, B. Jaun and the Jews of Khaibar. On his deathbed, he instructed his followers to cleanse the Arabian Peninsula of all non-believers, an order that Omar, the second Caliph carried out later. He exterminated the Jews, the Christians and the pagans, forcing them to convert, leave or put them to death.

Muhammad allowed his men to rape the women captured in raids. In the Qur’an, Muhammad’s god made it legal to have intercourse with slave women, the so-called “right hand possessions,” even if they were married before their capture. (Sura 4:24 and 33:50)

Among other things, he killed, tortured, raped, terrorized, looted and forced people to convert or die, this is the man Muslims follow and this is why there is so much violence happening around us as a result of this religion. Political correctness has a limit.

If you wish to find out more please go to:

links removed

You sir are an idiot. If you knew half of the shit you state you do you'd realize that the branch of muslims that do this shit are EXTREMISTS the same as the fucking commies the same as the IRA the same as every other asshat terrorist feel good organization go read the Qur'an and then come the fuck back here you ignorant nigger. QFT

[TruthBeTold]

/[LN] Orign;248747']You sir are an idiot. If you knew half of the shit you state you do you'd realize that the branch of muslims that do this shit are EXTREMISTS the same as the fucking commies the same as the IRA the same as every other asshat terrorist feel good organization go read the Qur'an and then come the fuck back here you ignorant nigger. QFT

The extremists are the ones who follow the Quran, with over 109 verses against Kafirs, or the infidels its not hard to realize such a thing. The moderate Muslims are the ones that do not know barely anything about the Quran or the Hadiths. How about YOU go read the Quran and then come back and refute this website, or better yet get yourself 50,000 dollars. Its been 8 years and no Muslim has yet been able to refute these facts and there have been over 10,000,000 views on faithfreedom.org. Go learn abit before coming and talking about what you THINK the reality is.

http://www.faithfreedom.org/challenge.htm

[Avenger]

I actually have mixed feelings about this while I dont agree with the verses, my best friend is a Muslim not the traditional type though. Though I can see how verses such as these could be used for terrorism.

hes not new hes avenger, so don't hold back.

???

[Jaggedspine]

there have been over 10,000,000 views on faithfreedom.org.

OMG a website on that Internet thing has a lot of views, therefore it can't be wrong!!!!1!one!!

...

http://pen-and-paper.net/ays/images/logof.png

[[TSC]/[LN] Orign]

The extremists are the ones who follow the Quran, with over 109 verses against Kafirs, or the infidels its not hard to realize such a thing. The moderate Muslims are the ones that do not know barely anything about the Quran or the Hadiths. How about YOU go read the Quran and then come back and refute this website, or better yet get yourself 50,000 dollars. Its been 8 years and no Muslim has yet been able to refute these facts and there have been over 10,000,000 views on faithfreedom.org. Go learn abit before coming and talking about what you THINK the reality is.

http://www.faithfreedom.org/challenge.htm

STFU I reject your shittly biased reality and substitute my own
http://www.shutyourfuckingfacebeforeicutitoff.org/challenge.htm (http://www.youracuntnigger.nigger/.htm)

[TruthBeTold]

/[LN] Orign;248767']STFU I reject your shittly biased reality and substitute my own
http://www.shutyourfuckingfacebeforeicutitoff.org/challenge.htm (http://www.youracuntnigger.nigger/.htm)

Typical response of ignorance, you cant give an answer to an argument so you start hurling insults at me, not surprising coming from someone who believes the Quran has no violence.

Muhammad “married” Aisha when she was six years old.

'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old. Muslim 8. 3310 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muslim/008.smt.html#008.3310)

Narrated 'Aisha:that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death). Bukhari 7. 62. 64 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/062.sbt.html#007.062.064)

Narrated 'Aisha:that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that 'Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death)." what you know of the Quran (by heart)' Bukhari 7. 62. 65 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/062.sbt.html#007.062.065)

Narrated 'Ursa:The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death). Bukhari 7. 62. 88 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/062.sbt.html#007.062.088)

Tell me if that is biased information. It comes from your own scriptures. Once again you have gotten slam dunked and you have no refutal. I await more insults since that is all your ignorant mind is able of conjuring.

[Lemonadez]

Typical response of ignorance, you cant give an answer to an argument so you start hurling insults at me, not surprising coming from someone who believes the Quran has no violence.

Muhammad “married” Aisha when she was six years old.

'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old. Muslim 8. 3310 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muslim/008.smt.html#008.3310)

Narrated 'Aisha:that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death). Bukhari 7. 62. 64 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/062.sbt.html#007.062.064)

Narrated 'Aisha:that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that 'Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death)." what you know of the Quran (by heart)' Bukhari 7. 62. 65 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/062.sbt.html#007.062.065)

Narrated 'Ursa:The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death). Bukhari 7. 62. 88 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/062.sbt.html#007.062.088)

Tell me if that is biased information. It comes from your own scriptures. Once again you have gotten slam dunked and you have no refutal. I await more insults since that is all your ignorant mind is able of conjuring.

WTF// 6yr old can get married and fuck now..

wtf wrong with the world now. omfg i want the 80s-90s back! :P

[Jeggo]

WTF// 6yr old can get married and fuck now..

wtf wrong with the world now. omfg i want the 80s-90s back! :P

Wow. You are a fucking retard.

Hey, faggot troll, almost all holy books have such shit in them.

[Twisted]

So, does anyone really care about the east?

No? Thought so.

gtfo avenger.

[Avenger]

So, does anyone really care about the east?

No? Thought so.

gtfo avenger.


Stop saying that kid is me, check the fking IP's for once. Raikoh started this shit.

[Splinter]

I can tell you right now Avenger wouldn't write this kind of shit. lololol

[[TSC]/[LN] Orign]

Gonna have to go with Jeggo on this one damn near ever religious text in the world has some majorly FUCKED UP SHIT in it. Why am I supporting it? because I can say i hate Muslims but I had the fucking balls to actually go see their nation, and take part in their culture and I can say that it is beatiful culture that does not deserved to be slandered. Shit half of the stuff you fucking take for granted today came from the Middle east while Europe was shitting itself with crusades and wars. Your just some neo nazi fucker that can't accept the fact that maybe a book doesn't speak for an entire culture.

[TruthBeTold]

/[LN] Orign;248786']Gonna have to go with Jeggo on this one damn near ever religious text in the world has some majorly FUCKED UP SHIT in it. Why am I supporting it? because I can say i hate Muslims but I had the fucking balls to actually go see their nation, and take part in their culture and I can say that it is beatiful culture that does not deserved to be slandered. Shit half of the stuff you fucking take for granted today came from the Middle east while Europe was shitting itself with crusades and wars. Your just some neo nazi fucker that can't accept the fact that maybe a book doesn't speak for an entire culture.

I can claim the cookie monster exists, does it? Without evidence to backup your case all your claims are worthless, how about showing textual proof of violence in other religious texts? You think their culture is beatiful? Well you are a lier, I have seen women oppressed, other cultures and religions persecuted and killed for not being Muslim and alot of misery. If its such a paradise then why do Muslims flock to Western countries? You make wild claims without any support.

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/UK_muslims_taliban.jpg
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/suicide_bomber.jpg
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/suicidekid.jpg

You can either see the truth or hide your head in a hole. The moderate Muslim is the one that does not follow the Quran. The extremist is the one that follows it.

[Splinter]

Tell you the truth, every religion and holy book still somehow states to respect one how you wish to be respected. That's what I follow.

Other than that I couldn't care less about other peoples' drama.

And one thing, right now you're just as bad as they are.

Don't be anti-Islam, be pro-peace. Get your shit straight.

[TruthBeTold]

Tell you the truth, every religion and holy book still somehow states to respect one how you wish to be respected. That's what I follow.

Other than that I couldn't care less about other peoples' drama.

And one thing, right now you're just as bad as they are.

Don't be anti-Islam, be pro-peace. Get your shit straight.

Being anti-Islam is being pro-peace.

[Jeggo]

Numbers 31:14-18. Kill the male children, and non-virgin girls. Take the virgin girls for yourselves. Well hey to the victor go the spoils, huh?

Pretty nice site. http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/bible_quran.html

Now get the fuck out.

[TruthBeTold]

Numbers 31:14-18. Kill the male children, and non-virgin girls. Take the virgin girls for yourselves. Well hey to the victor go the spoils, huh?

Pretty nice site. http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/bible_quran.html

Now get the fuck out.

Making a case against the Jews then? The book of Numbers is in the Torah, and the verse you quoted was a single time commandment not one that stands for all time as we see in the Quran. Once again your ignorance shines brightly. The site you have posted has a wonderful manipulative way of depicting the worst, that is for Jews, Christians and even Muslims. They do not post the verses, they only post THEIR interpretation of the verses. I in the other hand am more honest, I post the whole verse and let the reader judge for himself.

Nice try though, but not good enough.

[sunil]

I can claim the cookie monster exists, does it? Without evidence to backup your case all your claims are worthless, how about showing textual proof of violence in other religious texts? You think their culture is beatiful? Well you are a lier, I have seen women oppressed, other cultures and religions persecuted and killed for not being Muslim and alot of misery. If its such a paradise then why do Muslims flock to Western countries? You make wild claims without any support.

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/UK_muslims_taliban.jpg
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/suicide_bomber.jpg
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/suicidekid.jpg

You can either see the truth or hide your head in a hole. The moderate Muslim is the one that does not follow the Quran. The extremist is the one that follows it.
all terrorists pose for the camera don't they.....

[Aramanon]

Every religion surviving today has been told at some point to "convert the masses" in their past, else they'd no longer exist. Everybody interprets slightly different nuances from the same sentence if studied enough; and religious texts are given more scrutiny than most. Languages, words and their meanings evolve over time; words develop new meanings, variances of original meanings and lose old ones. Every subsequent re-telling or translation of a story loses / gains additional facets; evolves over time.

By the law of probability every religion must therefore have an extremist element in its members, who takes their interpretation of the current incarnation of their "holy texts" far too literally.

Anybody who believes they literally understand texts thousands of years old is a fucking retard.

Anybody singling out one particular religion as the only one with extremists is also one.

[ChildrenOfBodom]

Religion is the biggest brain-washing thing in the world.

[Emsy]

is the whole point that the muslim fairytale more violent than the christian fairytale?

[Jaggedspine]

Yes, Emsy. That's why I look forward to a world without religion. Too bad there are too many weak-minded people in the world to make it happen.

[GodSlayerMofo]

Yes, Emsy. That's why I look forward to a world without religion. Too bad there are too many weak-minded people in the world to make it happen.

I too look forward to a world without religion..

[Emsy]

Yes, Emsy. That's why I look forward to a world without religion. Too bad there are too many weak-minded people in the world to make it happen.

I too look forward to a world without religion..

x3


i look forward to a world without http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa262/EmsyBee/Avatar-immeemosol.jpg

[sunil]

:o atheists ftw!!

[Avenger]

I believe you can have faith without religion. for example, believe in God but not follow all the rituals and traditions.

[Jeggo]

Sura 9:73: O Prophet! strive hard [wage war] against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell, - an evil refuge indeed.


Nice interpretation there.

Yes, shit not only gets misinterpreted, but also fucking mis-translated.

HOLY SHIT THAT IS FROM THE TORAH! Also known as the fucking old testament.

[sunil]

nope atheists without any belief in life or spirit after death including a god ftw!

ARHH THERE BE NO GOD MATEY, SCIENCE BE TRUE, EVOLUTION IS BE REAL!

[Mystic]

The Qu'ran was written in arabic.. so somewhere along the line someone MUST have translated it into English so the verses you are showing us are someones interpretation of the Qu'ran thus not the TRUE meaning of it. Anyone who had enough time could write their own Qu'ran and brainwash people into believing what they said is true this can spread to the whole country even and this is why we are seeing so much terrorism today. The Qu'ran was written thousands of years ago where words may have had different meanings etc. So you Mr I tell the truth are a LIAR and stop visiting those biased sites this is the internet ffs anyone can say they are a muslim terrorist and not even be a muslim.

[Avenger]

The Qu'ran was written in arabic.. so somewhere along the line someone MUST have translated it into English so the verses you are showing us are someones interpretation of the Qu'ran thus not the TRUE meaning of it. Anyone who had enough time could write their own Qu'ran and brainwash people into believing what they said is true this can spread to the whole country even and this is why we are seeing so much terrorism today. The Qu'ran was written thousands of years ago where words may have had different meanings etc. So you Mr I tell the truth are a LIAR and stop visiting those biased sites this is the internet ffs anyone can say they are a muslim terrorist and not even be a muslim.

Mystic, don't take this the wrong way but I don't think you will get very far without showing proof for your arguments.

[Mystic]

What do you want? Quotes preeching peace or what?

[Jaggedspine]

At this point, I would like to point out one VERY IMPORTANT FACT:


This is not the most important thread I will read. I'm very upset. Really. The jackoff that started the thread was a liar!

[Splinter]

Being anti-Islam is being pro-peace.

And being Anti-Semitic is being pro-evolution.

Yeah we're on the same page. :dodgy:

[OwenHart4Life]

http://www.dvorak.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/gay_terrorist.jpg

[Nightmare9641]

Religion is the biggest brain-washing thing in the world.

Confusianism ftw.

[sunil]

Exodus 21:12 "Anyone who strikes a man and kills him shall surely be put to death." - promoting death.

Exodus 21:20-21 "If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property." - slavery, ownership of life, discrimination, racism, allowing serious violence, "punished" not "put to death".

Deuteronomy 24:7 "If a man is caught kidnapping one of his brother Israelites and treats him as a slave or sells him, the kidnapper must die. You must purge the evil from among you." - die..

Leviticus 25:39 "If one of your countrymen becomes poor among you and sells himself to you, do not make him work as a slave." - discrimination blah blah again.

Exodus 21:29 "If, however, the bull has had the habit of goring and the owner has been warned but has not kept it penned up and it kills a man or woman, the bull must be stoned and the owner also must be put to death."
Exodus 21:32 "If the bull gores a male or female slave, the owner must pay thirty shekels of silver to the master of the slave, and the bull must be stoned. (but not to death)"
- slave value = 0

On Destroying Other People
Deuteronomy 7:1-2 When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nations . . . then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy.
20:10-17 When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. When the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. . . . This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby.
However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. Completely destroy them—the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites—as the Lord your God has commanded you.

enjoy those quotes.

[Faded]

I agree with Ara the most, whoever 100% listens to ancient text should just die. Its alright to follow some parts of it which make sense, but because you steal shit doesn't mean you have to get your hands cut off.

[Jeggo]

Confusianism ftw.

You like being confused? Or do you not use FF.

Confucianism.

[coolie]

I still believe this Nazi is an idiot.
Just let him be. He's showing you scriptures from thousands of years ago.
Shit was different that long ago. People did get married young. They all did stupid shit then too. The ones that continue to do that now are just people who go to the extreme. It depends on what culture you grow in.
Saying something about a culture by just regurgitating what you read, you sir, are just stupid and following what the media tells you. You should learn that there are different types of Muslims.

[Avenger]

I still believe this Nazi is an idiot.
Just let him be. He's showing you scriptures from thousands of years ago.
Shit was different that long ago. People did get married young. They all did stupid shit then too. The ones that continue to do that now are just people who go to the extreme. It depends on what culture you grow in.
Saying something about a culture by just regurgitating what you read, you sir, are just stupid and following what the media tells you. You should learn that there are different types of Muslims.

I agree with coolie, the only problem is when people follow those texts from thousands of years ago to the heart, then we get extremists and so on. You know though, that marriage text he posted is quite disturbing, I take Mohammed was a grown man and marrying a 6 year old is quite disgusting.

[TruthBeTold]

I still believe this Nazi is an idiot.
Just let him be. He's showing you scriptures from thousands of years ago.
Shit was different that long ago. People did get married young. They all did stupid shit then too. The ones that continue to do that now are just people who go to the extreme. It depends on what culture you grow in.
Saying something about a culture by just regurgitating what you read, you sir, are just stupid and following what the media tells you. You should learn that there are different types of Muslims.

Scriptures of thousands of years ago that are still being followed until this day by Muslims. You realize that Islam is a fairly new religion dating back to the 7th century AD, by then there was already a civilized world and "shit" was not different. Mohammed did what Muslims did today, it was either convert to Islam or die, and marrige might have been a little different, such as a 14 year old girl marrying a 16 year old boy, that was normal, but what was not normal was for a 55 year old man (Mohammed's age) to marry a 6 year old child and consumate the marrige with her at 9 years of age, that is pedophilia. Ask yourself if that was a little sister or a cousin if you would have approved.

You sir are stupid for not doing your research, the media is very passive about Muslims, while they always sugar coat anything that happens in Muslim countries, In fact Muslims are the most discriminative people on this Earth. Any other faith in Muslim countries is often persecuted, ridiculed and Christians are treated as second class citizens in Muslim countries and must pay the "jizza" a special tax only set upon them for being Christians.

And to Sunil: Posting violent scriptures won't help, the majority of the times men used violence in them such as in Exodus was a one time event. And they seem to have evolved above any violent teachings, you do not see any Jewish terrorists today. The problem with Muslims is that they have commands for all time to persecute unbelievers, and were you an any Islamic country you would be persecuted too, they highly dislike Atheists.


Also for reference watch this movie and learn something: FITNA - The Movie (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3369102968312745410)

[Jeggo]

Scriptures of thousands of years ago that are still being followed until this day by Muslims. You realize that Islam is a fairly new religion dating back to the 7th century AD, by then there was already a civilized world and "shit" was not different. Mohammed did what Muslims did today, it was either convert to Islam or die, and marrige might have been a little different, such as a 14 year old girl marrying a 16 year old boy, that was normal, but what was not normal was for a 55 year old man (Mohammed's age) to marry a 6 year old child and consumate the marrige with her at 9 years of age, that is pedophilia. Ask yourself if that was a little sister or a cousin if you would have approved.

Really? Come on that happened all over the world. As soon as girls usually started through puberty they were married off. Why? So, they could bear children.


You sir are stupid for not doing your research, the media is very passive about Muslims, while they always sugar coat anything that happens in Muslim countries, In fact Muslims are the most discriminative people on this Earth. Any other faith in Muslim countries is often persecuted, ridiculed and Christians are treated as second class citizens in Muslim countries and must pay the "jizza" a special tax only set upon them for being Christians.

Actually, I believe from what I have read numerous times they were one of the best in that aspect. Jerusalem, when it was taken in by Muslims, before the First Crusades were very tolerant. Then the Crusades and the CHRISTIANS pillaged, killed, and raped everyone. Do you truly think you are not discriminating yourself? You are a retard. Niggers. White CHRISTIANS discriminated against them. Fuck they didn't even have to tax them as they were already doing the work for free :D


And to Sunil: Posting violent scriptures won't help, the majority of the times men used violence in them such as in Exodus was a one time event. And they seem to have evolved above any violent teachings, you do not see any Jewish terrorists today. The problem with Muslims is that they have commands for all time to persecute unbelievers, and were you an any Islamic country you would be persecuted too, they highly dislike Atheists. The Nation of Israel. Just named one. Oh snap! Hahaha Jewish people and Christians above violent teachings. Kill the FAGS!, etc.

Oh I also like how you ignored several posts refuting you.

[sunil]

And to Sunil: Posting violent scriptures won't help, the majority of the times men used violence in them such as in Exodus was a one time event. And they seem to have evolved above any violent teachings, you do not see any Jewish terrorists today. The problem with Muslims is that they have commands for all time to persecute unbelievers, and were you an any Islamic country you would be persecuted too, they highly dislike Atheists.

so what your saying is because the muslims were delayed in their civilised development... DUE TO SLAVERY.. that it's their fault they are behind in their development to being a fully civil society.
so you aren't going to blame the ones that forced slavery on all the countries but on the countries themselves for being murdered, attacked, humiliated, forced to work and essentially destroyed.

Insert Massive Thumbs Up Emote

this is one thing you should learn because your being a dumbass

Exodus = GODs teaching
Exodus = Changed
you can't evolve the words of your "god" or you are saying he is wrong. The higher being according to all of you is WRONG and STUPID.
or was he just hungover at that time?

ps. no they don't mind if your athist or hindu, i go to india every now and again and i'm never stoned to death my the muslims there.


hey people that are muslim.. i'm an athist, wanna fight about it? :p

[Emsy]

The problem with Muslims is that they have commands for all time to persecute unbelievers, and were you an any Islamic country you would be persecuted too, they highly dislike Atheists.

i was never persecuted and i didn't hide anything when asked about my beliefs.

however, i've heard they highly dislike douche-bags who thinks its leet to sport a soul patch.

[Jaggedspine]

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/8701/troll3oh.jpg

[TruthBeTold]

Really? Come on that happened all over the world. As soon as girls usually started through puberty they were married off. Why? So, they could bear children.

No that did not happen all over the world, as I stated before it was normal for 14 - 20 year olds to marry each other but NOT a 55 year old man marrying a 6 year old child.


Actually, I believe from what I have read numerous times they were one of the best in that aspect. Jerusalem, when it was taken in by Muslims, before the First Crusades were very tolerant. Then the Crusades and the CHRISTIANS pillaged, killed, and raped everyone. Do you truly think you are not discriminating yourself? You are a retard. Niggers. White CHRISTIANS discriminated against them. Fuck they didn't even have to tax them as they were already doing the work for free :D

And where is your source of that? A movie? The crusaders cannot be considered Christian, they were under the direct command of the Catholic Church who kept Bibles away from beleivers so they could not learn the truth. The Catholic Church imposed a law that whoever did not go and fight would go to hell and whoever did join the crusades would receive salvation. That law stands against everything Christ taught. You may call yourself a Christian but if you dont follow what Jesus taught then you are not really a Christ-Follower. On the other hand Muslims who follow Mohammed are the ones who do these things.


The Nation of Israel. Just named one. Oh snap! Hahaha Jewish people and Christians above violent teachings. Kill the FAGS!, etc.

The nation of Israel belongs to the Jews, evidence of a Jewish presence in Israel dates back 3,400 years until emperor Titus took away the land and named it Palestine. The Jews simply reclaimed their land.

so what your saying is because the muslims were delayed in their civilised development... DUE TO SLAVERY.. that it's their fault they are behind in their development to being a fully civil society.
so you aren't going to blame the ones that forced slavery on all the countries but on the countries themselves for being murdered, attacked, humiliated, forced to work and essentially destroyed.

Delayed in civilized development and slavery? What slavery? They will never be a full civil society as long as they follow the teachings of a 7th century lunatic. The difference between most countries that once imposed slavery is that they have seen the error in their ways and come away from that, but with Muslims its different, its a religion and that does not go away.


Exodus = GODs teaching
Exodus = Changed
you can't evolve the words of your "god" or you are saying he is wrong. The higher being according to all of you is WRONG and STUPID.
or was he just hungover at that time?

I am not Jew and as I stated behind you don't hear of Jewish, Christian and Hindu terrorists.


ps. no they don't mind if your athist or hindu, i go to india every now and again and i'm never stoned to death my the muslims there.

While India has a Muslim presence it is far from a Muslim country. The majority is Hindu. Muslims tend to stay on the down low when they are a minority, but they make demands of their faith nonetheless. The United Kingdom has officialy created Sharia Courts and if things continue the way they are the freedoms you enjoy will be gone if the West gives in to their demands.



i was never persecuted and i didn't hide anything when asked about my beliefs.

however, i've heard they highly dislike douche-bags who thinks its leet to sport a soul patch.

If you went to visit they probably would not do anything, but if you lived there it would be a different story.

If you care to debate further come to the link removed.

[Chaz]

omg, someone give me a boost. I can't get over this wall of text.

[Emsy]

whats the point? he's obviously just looking for attention. with any luck he'll be murdered on christmas eve <3

[Jaggedspine]

whats the point? he's obviously just looking for attention.

Hence the forum troll picture. Here's one that Owen uses and that I like, because I know where the image comes from (because I'm a huge nerd):

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p222/the_x-phile/ObviousTroll.jpg

[Jeggo]

I am not Jew and as I stated behind you don't hear of Jewish, Christian and Hindu terrorists.

From Wikipedia (Meh, its right, and easier than going to Merriam's website)

Terrorism is the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion.[1] There is no internationally agreed definition of terrorism.[2][3] Most common definitions of terrorism include only those acts which are intended to create fear (terror), are perpetrated for an ideological goal (as opposed to a lone attack), and deliberately target or disregard the safety of non-combatants.

Jewish - Nation of Israel. They didn't regain it. They didn't conquer it. They stole it. There is a difference. They did like no fucking work, and were handed a country that didn't belong to them anymore. Furthermore if the US did not support them, Israel would have fell long ago.

Christian (Catholic is Christian. I hate dumb fucks that try and dispute that fact) - Irish Republican Army (IRA) /PIRA (Provisional Irish Rep. Army)

Hindu - When Pakistan and India split I am pretty fucking sure there were tons of deaths on both sides.

Religion as a whole are terroristic. Islam is the same as any other religion. Oh and the savage culture and such you are knocking.... They were one of the most civilized. Oh and the fact that tons of shit we have now are from Islamic cultures. Like I don't know medicine and other shit.


I am fully aware of the trolling, but the ignorance is hilarious. Plus, this is kinda fun. Not getting outraged or anything, so his mission failed with me.

[sunil]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism
http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-terrorists-folder.html
http://www.truthandgrace.com/Hinduterrorists.htm

sure you don't...

google ftw

[coolie]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism
http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-terrorists-folder.html
http://www.truthandgrace.com/Hinduterrorists.htm

sure you don't...

google ftw

Anyone and everyone can be a terrorist. This nigs is an idiot and i stand by that.
He obviously is selective with what he believes.

[TruthBeTold]

Jewish - Nation of Israel. They didn't regain it. They didn't conquer it. They stole it. There is a difference. They did like no fucking work, and were handed a country that didn't belong to them anymore. Furthermore if the US did not support them, Israel would have fell long ago.

This ignorant statement just shows how much you really know about history. Before Israel took over Palestine was a dump just like most middle eastern countries. Jews from all over the world pumped in money and now its an Oasis. They fought many battles in order to regain Israel. Try doing some research on Israel's war of independance.


Christian (Catholic is Christian. I hate dumb fucks that try and dispute that fact) - Irish Republican Army (IRA) /PIRA (Provisional Irish Rep. Army)

The only dumb person here is you. It is clear that Catholisim goes against many of the things Jesus taught in the first place. They were the result of violence, and besides if not for the crusaders most of europe would be Muslim today.


Hindu - When Pakistan and India split I am pretty fucking sure there were tons of deaths on both sides.

And who caused them to split? I wonder...


Religion as a whole are terroristic. Islam is the same as any other religion. Oh and the savage culture and such you are knocking.... They were one of the most civilized. Oh and the fact that tons of shit we have now are from Islamic cultures. Like I don't know medicine and other shit.

I agree that religion is bad, however Islam is not the same as any other religion and have not been civilized since Mohammed came along. What have the Muslims given us? Tell me, start naming a few things, you are obviously the most ignorant person I've yet to meet. You know nothing of what you are talking about, the only reason there are modern places such as Dubai is because the West pays them for their oil.


I am fully aware of the trolling, but the ignorance is hilarious. Plus, this is kinda fun. Not getting outraged or anything, so his mission failed with me.

Its quite funny when a fool thinks he is smart. Go learn a few things and do a bit of research and you might not look as bad.

Anyone and everyone can be a terrorist. This nigs is an idiot and i stand by that.
He obviously is selective with what he believes.

Indeed anyone can be, it just seems Muslims have a certain attraction for terror. And I notice since you can't refute my arguments you go on to call me names, typical...

[Chaz]

http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n290/natthebrat123/wharrgarbl.jpg

[Jaggedspine]

I'd give Chaz a +rep for making me laugh, but it doesn't work. :(

[sunil]

Anyone and everyone can be a terrorist. This nigs is an idiot and i stand by that.
He obviously is selective with what he believes.

and what he reads it looks like.

[Chaz]

Help me get this to the septic tank...



ITT: Off topic shit


Edit: Why would +rep matter? Have you seen my posts lately?

[Jaggedspine]

I don't care about any post other than the one I'm reading. And that one made me laugh. *shrug*

Tangential topic time!

http://www.demotivateus.com/posters/1000-words-this-picture-is-worth-em-hilary-clinton-demotivational-poster.jpg

Discuss how a picture, while worth a thousand words, can always be dissected with more than a thousand words, making the picture worth more than one picture. Bonus credit for discussing the potential infinite-picture possibility of a positive feedback loop started by one correct picture.

[Chaz]

she's a cunt...

[Chaz]

as long as we're on politics...



http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u207/k41550/nigger.jpg




enjoy that.

[Jeggo]

This ignorant statement just shows how much you really know about history. Before Israel took over Palestine was a dump just like most middle eastern countries. Jews from all over the world pumped in money and now its an Oasis. They fought many battles in order to regain Israel. Try doing some research on Israel's war of independance.

For the Jews maybe. Oh yeah Israel had to fight to keep the country, however, as I fucking said if it wasn't for the US they would have lost. Zealotry can only get you so far


The only dumb person here is you. It is clear that Catholisim goes against many of the things Jesus taught in the first place. They were the result of violence, and besides if not for the crusaders most of europe would be Muslim today.

No. They wouldn't. Who is this Jesus character? Once again you are failing to realize that Jesus is a lie, as is.... Wait. Don't they actually have historical evidence showing Mohammed ACTUALLY lived? Like in that time there actually was a trader, blah, blah, blah? I could have sworn I read that. Catholicism is Christianity. Just like Mormonism.



And who caused them to split? I wonder...


Both sides caused them to split. Having both Islam and Hinduism under one roof, wasn't working, and was creating WAY too much friction. Now, if it would have been Judaism, or Christianity which are basically the same thing it might not have been so bad.


I agree that religion is bad, however Islam is not the same as any other religion and have not been civilized since Mohammed came along. What have the Muslims given us? Tell me, start naming a few things, you are obviously the most ignorant person I've yet to meet. You know nothing of what you are talking about, the only reason there are modern places such as Dubai is because the West pays them for their oil.


I have already named one. Medicine. Islamic/Arabic (They go hand in hand) influence on middle age medicine was profound. Not just medicine, but also other assorted sciences. I believe the west got several nautical navigation instruments from the Mid-East and with those America wouldn't have been found as it had.

Oh, Dubai gets paid for oil now does it? True. According to this website last year it is only 5.1% of their GDP. http://www.ameinfo.com/122863.html You are a fucking retard. Dubai is currently an economic powerhouse due to the... oh what the devil is it called... Anyway it is a Free Trade Zone, with no taxes needing to be paid and other such things, that make it very attractive. Therefore tons of foreign companies move in and inject tons of money into the local economy.

Now it was FIRST built on due to oil profits, but saying if it wasn't for that than Dubai wouldn't exist is fallacious. Just like saying if we didn't drop the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, that the Cold War wouldn't have happened.



Its quite funny when a fool thinks he is smart. Go learn a few things and do a bit of research and you might not look as bad.


Sort of like you? Sorry mate, you are the one who is horribly wrong. Not myself, or so far any others.


Indeed anyone can be, it just seems Muslims have a certain attraction for terror. And I notice since you can't refute my arguments you go on to call me names, typical...

Refute what? That Islam has lots of terrorists? We aren't trying to refute that. We are refuting the belief that they are WAY more terroristic than any other religion.

http://www.roofingwholesale.us/pic3/ladder-1.jpg

There you go Chaz.

[TruthBeTold]

For the Jews maybe. Oh yeah Israel had to fight to keep the country, however, as I fucking said if it wasn't for the US they would have lost. Zealotry can only get you so far

The Jews might have received money from the United States but the majorities of their battles were fought by themselves, when Syrya, Egypt and Jordan massed troops against Israel, they held them off themselves and achived victory. The US might have helped but the hard work was done by them.


No. They wouldn't. Who is this Jesus character? Once again you are failing to realize that Jesus is a lie, as is.... Wait. Don't they actually have historical evidence showing Mohammed ACTUALLY lived? Like in that time there actually was a trader, blah, blah, blah? I could have sworn I read that. Catholicism is Christianity. Just like Mormonism.

Now you want to debate the authencitiy of Jesus? This is a debate that has gone for long but there is more historic evidence that he existed then not existed. If you would like to debate on his existance then make another thread and we shall debate on the topic. On to my next point, why do you think that Protestants seperated themselves from the Catholic Church? It was because they were not following anything the Bible teaches and so people started rebbeling.


Both sides caused them to split. Having both Islam and Hinduism under one roof, wasn't working, and was creating WAY too much friction. Now, if it would have been Judaism, or Christianity which are basically the same thing it might not have been so bad.

This further proves my point, Muslims tend to start wars everywhere as soon as they have enough numbers.


I have already named one. Medicine. Islamic/Arabic (They go hand in hand) influence on middle age medicine was profound. Not just medicine, but also other assorted sciences. I believe the west got several nautical navigation instruments from the Mid-East and with those America wouldn't have been found as it had.

Wow, so Muslims created medicine? Herbs and potions have been used all over the world in all sorts of different cultures from as far as most historical records go. Heck even tribes of indians have their own sort of medicine. Just because some Muslims invented a few things that is no reason to give them credit for all inventions, all the major inventions such as cars, airplanes, computers have been created in the West, and the list goes on.


Oh, Dubai gets paid for oil now does it? True. According to this website last year it is only 5.1% of their GDP. http://www.ameinfo.com/122863.html You are a fucking retard. Dubai is currently an economic powerhouse due to the... oh what the devil is it called... Anyway it is a Free Trade Zone, with no taxes needing to be paid and other such things, that make it very attractive. Therefore tons of foreign companies move in and inject tons of money into the local economy.

While Oil is roughly 6% of their GDP now, their economy WAS founded on Oil. They would have been in a much worst state today if it wasn't. And besides Dubai does not hold traditional Muslim values, they allow women to go to the beach in bikinis, something that traditional Muslims condemn and can even stone a woman to death for.


Refute what? That Islam has lots of terrorists? We aren't trying to refute that. We are refuting the belief that they are WAY more terroristic than any other religion.

Last time I checked it was not the Jews or the Christians or the Hindus who blew up the twin towers. And all the attrocities that go on in the middle east on a day to day basis is because of this vile religion.

[Twisted]

Know what's awesome?

How much this thread sucks.

Also, funny how Avenger is always viewing the thread at the same time as "TruthBeTold"

[Chaz]

http://www.roofingwholesale.us/pic3/ladder-1.jpg

There you go Chaz.

thx jeg. Now I can see. THE LIGHT!!!!!


Know what's awesome?

How much this thread sucks.

Also, funny how Avenger is always viewing the thread at the same time as "TruthBeTold"

orly? what a coincidence... (and they both have faggot names)

[Avenger]

Know what's awesome?

How much this thread sucks.

Also, funny how Avenger is always viewing the thread at the same time as "TruthBeTold"

I'm constantly viewing this thread, because I am interested in it. As I am now and I see he is not online. I've probably checked this thread 6 times today and have made my own contributions.

orly? what a coincidence... (and they both have faggot names)

Shut up douche bag.

[Twisted]

I'm constantly viewing this thread, because I am interested in it. As I am now and I see he is not online. I've probably checked this thread 6 times today and have made my own contributions.



Shut up douche bag.

Shenanigans.

You = TruthBeTold

Is the truth.

[Chaz]

Shenanigans.

You = TruthBeTold

Is the truth.

witch will be told

[Avenger]

Suit yourselves, ask for a simple IP check and you will see its not me.

[Jeggo]

The Jews might have received money from the United States but the majorities of their battles were fought by themselves, when Syrya, Egypt and Jordan massed troops against Israel, they held them off themselves and achived victory. The US might have helped but the hard work was done by them.

The Jews received more than money. As I said they fought themselves, but as proved by Poland in WWII zealotry usually ends to lose against technology.


Now you want to debate the authencitiy of Jesus? This is a debate that has gone for long but there is more historic evidence that he existed then not existed. If you would like to debate on his existance then make another thread and we shall debate on the topic. On to my next point, why do you think that Protestants seperated themselves from the Catholic Church? It was because they were not following anything the Bible teaches and so people started rebbeling.

Nothing to debate. Seriously, if I could do cool party tricks like he did I would probably be mentioned for it. Oh and Christ means the Anointed. Sweet, I guess if I go take some Olive Oil and dump it on myself I can be called Christ. The Catholic Church follows who? Christ? Oh shit! What else would that be called? Christianity. Logic be damned.

This further proves my point, Muslims tend to start wars everywhere as soon as they have enough numbers.

Ummm.... No. That actually further proves MY point that all religions tend to not get along, and violence always occurs when you try to get people of different beliefs together.

Wow, so Muslims created medicine? Herbs and potions have been used all over the world in all sorts of different cultures from as far as most historical records go. Heck even tribes of indians have their own sort of medicine. Just because some Muslims invented a few things that is no reason to give them credit for all inventions, all the major inventions such as cars, airplanes, computers have been created in the West, and the list goes on.

Did I say they created medicine? Way to read dumbshit. They highly influenced Western medicine. In the Middle Ages, European doctors were akin to Civil War battlefield surgeons. Islamic Physicians to Todays Doctors. Much more sanitary and effective.

While Oil is roughly 6% of their GDP now, their economy WAS founded on Oil. They would have been in a much worst state today if it wasn't. And besides Dubai does not hold traditional Muslim values, they allow women to go to the beach in bikinis, something that traditional Muslims condemn and can even stone a woman to death for.

Can you fucking read? Read the paragraph below that one. I mean Christ, you are repeating shit I said, to try and make yourself appear smarter. You are also the one who cited Dubai.

Last time I checked it was not the Jews or the Christians or the Hindus who blew up the twin towers. And all the attrocities that go on in the middle east on a day to day basis is because of this vile religion.

I don't know. The CIA probably employs lots of Jews and Christians. What happened on 9/11 is directly attributed to the CIA (they fucking trained Bin Laden) and bad foreign policy on the part of the US.



Al Qaida aren't really terrorists. What is more terror invoking, an incident, whilst bad, wasn't that terror invoking as it shouldn't have happened, or the Media and Government continually drilling the TERROR! angle, and also allowing it to happen?

What happens to the builder of a house if he knows it is going to collapse, and allows it to happen?

[coolie]

Indeed anyone can be, it just seems Muslims have a certain attraction for terror. And I notice since you can't refute my arguments you go on to call me names, typical...[/QUOTE]

I've been calling you an idiot since my first response, nothing more. Why you ask? That's the easiest way I can describe you.

[TruthBeTold]

The Jews received more than money. As I said they fought themselves, but as proved by Poland in WWII zealotry usually ends to lose against technology.

And your point being? The Jews have been terrorized by Muslims since the time of Mohammed. In fact Mohammed said:

"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdullah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews."

And this is a 45 second video of a Muslim preacher talking about the Jews: Video against Jews (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=9eb_1222680318)


Nothing to debate. Seriously, if I could do cool party tricks like he did I would probably be mentioned for it. Oh and Christ means the Anointed. Sweet, I guess if I go take some Olive Oil and dump it on myself I can be called Christ. The Catholic Church follows who? Christ? Oh shit! What else would that be called? Christianity. Logic be damned.

So first you say he doesn't exist and now you admit his existance. Make up your mind, and your jokes could not make a rock laugh. The Catholic church is more interested in rituals and their own version of Christianity then following Christ. If you are going to put everybody in the same boat then I could say all Atheists are responsible for communism and all the deaths it caused.


Ummm.... No. That actually further proves MY point that all religions tend to not get along, and violence always occurs when you try to get people of different beliefs together.


You fail to understand that when Muslims reach high numbers they start the violence and others are forced to protect themselves.


Did I say they created medicine? Way to read dumbshit. They highly influenced Western medicine. In the Middle Ages, European doctors were akin to Civil War battlefield surgeons. Islamic Physicians to Todays Doctors. Much more sanitary and effective.

So you are comparing Middle aged Islamic doctors to todays Doctors? Go read up on your history, it is certainaly wrong.


Can you fucking read? Read the paragraph below that one. I mean Christ, you are repeating shit I said, to try and make yourself appear smarter. You are also the one who cited Dubai.

No, you were the one repeating what I said earlier when Dubai's main economy was Oil. You simply repeated and then I did it again to reinforce my point. Learn how to debate.


I don't know. The CIA probably employs lots of Jews and Christians. What happened on 9/11 is directly attributed to the CIA (they fucking trained Bin Laden) and bad foreign policy on the part of the US.

Most of the people who are in the army or secret service or anything to do with killing are not religious, unless they are Muslims of course.


Al Qaida aren't really terrorists. What is more terror invoking, an incident, whilst bad, wasn't that terror invoking as it shouldn't have happened, or the Media and Government continually drilling the TERROR! angle, and also allowing it to happen?

What happens to the builder of a house if he knows it is going to collapse, and allows it to happen?

Al Qaida aren't terrorists? I see you support terrorism yourself. Perhaphs you are a Muslim, and just beggining to show your true colors.

On to my next point, let us look at the beauty of some Muslim countries:


- Rape is very common in Pakistan. Gang rape is the preffered system of punishing women who assert themsleves.

- In Iran, women convicts are raped before being hanged. The rationale is that non-virgin woman will go to hell instead of paradise.

- In Saudi Arabia, grown up women are whipped by the religious police for insignificant infractions. Usually the religious police are very young - young enough to be their sons. This is the way Islam humiliates women.

- In Pakistan, a woman who is raped are thrown in jail for committing adultery. This is your Islamic justice.

- In all Muslim countries, woman's testimony in a legal court is worth half as much as that of a man. This is how Islam respects women!

- Temporary marriage (legalized prostitution) is common in Muslim countries - specially Iran.

- Old men marry very young girls for sex. Pedophilia is common in Muslim countries.

- Prophet Muhammad married 6 year old Ayesha when he was 53 years of age - old enough to be her grandfather. He had sex with her when she was only 9 years old and he was 56. This makes Muhammad a peadophile. And yet you are so shameless and say this is common.

- Let us not forget Afghanistan; homosexuality is very common. Majority of well to do Afghans keep young boys for sexual pleasures. They even show them off. They trade them as well. This is your Islamic morality.

-In Egypt 3/4 of the women have admited to being sexual assaulted.

Those are the fruits of the Islamic world.

I've been calling you an idiot since my first response, nothing more. Why you ask? That's the easiest way I can describe you.

Your vocabulary must be fantastic, perhaps you can study with my little brother and he can teach you a few things.

[Jeggo]

Now I am entering the territory of exasperation. Thus I stop, and leave you to your ignorance.

[coolie]

Your vocabulary must be fantastic, perhaps you can study with my little brother and he can teach you a few things.[/QUOTE]

No, more like you're an idiot and I will keep calling you an idiot for you stupidity and close minded opinions of people.

I've stopped reading most of your points since it's all dumb shit.
Like that one point of rape being punishment. YOU ARE AN IDIOT ONCE AGAIN.
People who rape get their dick chopped off. They get punished. Only crappy part is that if a woman gets raped she keeps it to herself, if she tells anyone then no one would want to marry her. Her family would be looked down upon, that's why they keep it to themselves.

[TruthBeTold]

No, more like you're an idiot and I will keep calling you an idiot for you stupidity and close minded opinions of people.

I've stopped reading most of your points since it's all dumb shit.
Like that one point of rape being punishment. YOU ARE AN IDIOT ONCE AGAIN.
People who rape get their dick chopped off. They get punished. Only crappy part is that if a woman gets raped she keeps it to herself, if she tells anyone then no one would want to marry her. Her family would be looked down upon, that's why they keep it to themselves.


I was born in Shikarpur, Sindh, Pakistan. I have lived in Quetta, Baluchistan. My father was born in Chaman and my mother was born in Shikarpur, Sindh. I have lived with Muslims. I speak, read and write Urdu and Sindhi. I understand Panjabi. I have experienced life in a Muslim country, the land of the pure - Pakistan.

Non-Muslims are always afraid when he or she is surrounded by Muslims in a Muslim majority country. Non-Muslim must be very careful what he says and how he or she speaks. I learned very early never to glance at a Muslim woman even if that woman is old enough to be my great grand mother - I would be putting my life at risk, not only that, that woman very likely be killed by her family.

You probably lived your whole life in the West. I am probably much older than you. Pakistanis do not hesitate to let a non-Muslim know that a Muslim is better and you are filthy kaffir. Their words are clear and unambiguous. Even an innocent remark can get me killed by a Muslim in Pakistan.

Police in Pakistan will never help a non-Muslim under any circumstances. I may be beaten up but it is always my fault. The police will say, "you must have done something because Islam forbids violence." No help, not a single word of sympathy. You are on your own.

If a non-Muslim is found committing even the smallest infraction, all hell breaks loose. All of a sudden tens of policemen on site and talking about justice.

This is your Islam. You should learn a few things before you speak, especially when you don't know what you are talking about or never experieneced it first hand.

[[TSC]/[LN] Orign]

Yo dawg I heard you like cars so I put a car in your car so you can drive while you drive.

[Emsy]

I was born in Shikarpur, Sindh, Pakistan. I have lived in Quetta, Baluchistan. My father was born in Chaman and my mother was born in Shikarpur, Sindh. I have lived with Muslims. I speak, read and write Urdu and Sindhi. I understand Panjabi. I have experienced life in a Muslim country, the land of the pure - Pakistan.

Non-Muslims are always afraid when he or she is surrounded by Muslims in a Muslim majority country. Non-Muslim must be very careful what he says and how he or she speaks. I learned very early never to glance at a Muslim woman even if that woman is old enough to be my great grand mother - I would be putting my life at risk, not only that, that woman very likely be killed by her family.

You probably lived your whole life in the West. I am probably much older than you. Pakistanis do not hesitate to let a non-Muslim know that a Muslim is better and you are filthy kaffir. Their words are clear and unambiguous. Even an innocent remark can get me killed by a Muslim in Pakistan.

Police in Pakistan will never help a non-Muslim under any circumstances. I may be beaten up but it is always my fault. The police will say, "you must have done something because Islam forbids violence." No help, not a single word of sympathy. You are on your own.

If a non-Muslim is found committing even the smallest infraction, all hell breaks loose. All of a sudden tens of policemen on site and talking about justice.

This is your Islam. You should learn a few things before you speak, especially when you don't know what you are talking about or never experieneced it first hand.



soooooo nobody likes you in pakistan and nobody likes you in LN. well played.

[Chaz]

hahahahaa, that makes perfect sense

[Mystic]

"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdullah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews."

Muslims have all the right to terrorise the Jews .. looks like the Jews are doing the same thing to the Palestinians and Lebanese so why not fight back?

[Mystic]

Those quotes from Muhammed were thousands of years ago during the fight over Jerusalem.. everyone killed everyone.

[Jaggedspine]

I was born in Shikarpur, Sindh, Pakistan. I have lived in Quetta, Baluchistan. My father was born in Chaman and my mother was born in Shikarpur, Sindh. I have lived with Muslims. I speak, read and write Urdu and Sindhi. I understand Panjabi. I have experienced life in a Muslim country, the land of the pure - Pakistan.

Non-Muslims are always afraid when he or she is surrounded by Muslims in a Muslim majority country. Non-Muslim must be very careful what he says and how he or she speaks. I learned very early never to glance at a Muslim woman even if that woman is old enough to be my great grand mother - I would be putting my life at risk, not only that, that woman very likely be killed by her family.

You probably lived your whole life in the West. I am probably much older than you. Pakistanis do not hesitate to let a non-Muslim know that a Muslim is better and you are filthy kaffir. Their words are clear and unambiguous. Even an innocent remark can get me killed by a Muslim in Pakistan.

Police in Pakistan will never help a non-Muslim under any circumstances. I may be beaten up but it is always my fault. The police will say, "you must have done something because Islam forbids violence." No help, not a single word of sympathy. You are on your own.

If a non-Muslim is found committing even the smallest infraction, all hell breaks loose. All of a sudden tens of policemen on site and talking about justice.

This is your Islam. You should learn a few things before you speak, especially when you don't know what you are talking about or never experieneced it first hand.

Congratulations, you were born in Crapistan and you live in Shittistan. Do us a favor and give a lecherous gaze to a great-grandmother today - the world will have two less mouths to feed.

[TruthBeTold]

"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdullah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews."

Muslims have all the right to terrorise the Jews .. looks like the Jews are doing the same thing to the Palestinians and Lebanese so why not fight back?

Muhammad killed and banished several Jewish tribes, among them are B. Qainuqa’, B. Nadir, B. Quraiza, B. Mustaliq, B. Jaun and the Jews of Khaibar. On his deathbed, he instructed his followers to cleanse the Arabian Peninsula of all non-believers, an order that Omar, the second Caliph carried out later. He exterminated the Jews, the Christians and the pagans, forcing them to convert, leave or put them to death.

Does that mean everyone now has the right to persecute all Muslims? Violence is violence and its not right. When you are constantly under threat, you just want it to end.

[coolie]

Did you know Christianity and Islam are similar.

[TruthBeTold]

Did you know Christianity and Islam are similar.

They might seem on first appearance, but once you start researching deeper, once you have read the Qur'an and the Hadiths and compared them to the Bible you see that they are quite different. I have made a comparison between sayings of Mohammed and sayings of Jesus:

Jesus said,

“You shall love your Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like it ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets,” Mt22:37-40

“A new commandment I give you, that you love one another; as I loved you , that you also love one another, by this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for on another, John 13:34-35

“If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word, and My Father will love him, and We will come into him and make Our home with him.” John 14:23

“These things I command you, that you love one another.” John 15-17

“You have heard that it was said to those of old, you shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of judgment, but I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment “. Mt. 5:21-22

“Furthermore, it has been said, whoever divorces his wife let him give a certificate of divorce. But I say to you that whoever divorces his wife for any reason except sexual immorality causes her to commit adultery.” Mt 5:31-32

“You have heard that it was said, you shall love your neighbor and hate you enemy; but I say to you ‘love you enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those spitefully use you and persecute you.” Mt 5:43-44

“Love never fails.” 1 Cor 13:8

“For I have come not to call the righteous, but the sinners.” Mt. 9:13

“with all lowliness and gentleness, with longsuffering, bearing one another in love.” Eph 4:2

“Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her.” Eph 5:25

“For the love of money is the root of all kinds of evil.” 1 Tm 6:10

“Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal.” Mt 6:8

“Peace I leave with you, My peace I give to you , not as the world gives I give to you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.” John 14:27

Mohammad said,

“I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them. It is not ye who slew them; it was God.” Surah 8:13-17.

“Fight against those who believe not in Allah nor the last day nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and his messenger and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth among the people of the scripture, until they pay jiziah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” Surah 9:29

“Fight them, until there is no persecution and the religion is God’s” Surah 193

“O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors. They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them is on of them.” Surah 5:51 & 3:28

“Kill the mushrikeen (polytheists, Christians and non-Muslims), wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush”. Surah 9:5

“O you who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are close to you, and let them find harshness in you; and know that Allah is with those who are believers.” Surah 9:123
“And fight them until there is no more fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah) and (all and every king of) worship is for Allah (alone).” Surah 2:193

“Verily, Allah has purchased of the believers their lives and their properties for (the price) that theirs shall be the paradise. They fight in Allah cause, so they kill (others) and are killed. It is a promise in truth which is binding on Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Koran.” Surah 9:111

“And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him” Surah 3:85
“O prophet, urge the believers to fight.” Surah 85

“The recompense of those who wage war against Allah and his messenger and do mischief in the land is only that they shall be killed or crucified or their hands and their feet be cut off from opposite sides, or be exiled from the land. That is their disgrace in this world and a great torment is theirs in the hereafter.” Surah 5:33

“Therefore, when ye meet the unbelievers (in fight-Jihad in Allah’s cause) those who disbelieve, smite (their) necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them). Thus you are ordered by Allah to continue in carrying out Jihad against the unbelievers till they embrace Islam.” Surah 47:4

Mohammad said (Hadith):

“Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him.” 9:57

“The best deed for the Muslim next to believing in Allah and his apostle, is to participate in Jihad and Allah’s cause.” 1:25

”No Muslim should be killed for killing a kafir (infidel.” 9:50

“Bad omen is in the woman, the house and the horse.” 7:30

“After me I have not left any affliction more harmful to men than women”. 7:33

“O who you believe! Ask not about things which, if made plain to you, may cause you trouble. But if you ask about them while the Qur’an is being revealed, they will be made plain to you. Allah has forgiven that, and Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most forbearing.” 5:101

“Before you, a community asked such questions, then on that account they became disbelievers” 5:102


SOME OF THEIR LAST WORDS

JESUS: "Father forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing." Luke 23:34. (said while dying on the cross at Calvary after being betrayed and sentenced to die for no legitimate reason).

MUHAMMAD: "May Allah curse the Jews and Christians for they built the places of worship at the graves of the prophets." Bukhari, Vol. 1, #427 [Muhammad had been poisoned years earlier by a Jewish woman whose husband was killed by the Muslims and the poison had slowly worked its effect. He said this while dying in the arms of his wife Aisha].

PUNISHING SINNERS WHO WERE WILLING TO REPENT

JESUS

From John 8:2-11 At dawn He (Jesus) appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered around him, and he sat down to teach them. The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group and said to Jesus, "Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?" They were using this question as a trap in order to have a basis to accuse Him. But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with His finger. When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her." Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground. At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. Jesus straightened up and asked her, "Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?" "No one sir", she said. "Then neither do I condemn you," Jesus declared. "Go now and leave your life of sin."

MUHAMMAD

From the Hadith of Abu Dawud, #4428 "Buraidah said: "A woman of Ghamid came to the Prophet and said: "I have committed fornication", He said: "Go back". She returned and on the next day she came to him again, and said: "Perhaps you want to send me back as you did to Maiz b. Malik. I swear by Allah, I am pregnant." He said to her: "Go back". She then returned and came to him the next day. He said to her: "Go back until you give birth to the child." She then returned. When she gave birth to the child she brought the child to him, and said: "Here it is! I have given birth to it." He said: "Go back, and suckle him until you wean him." When she had weaned him, she brought him to him with something in his hand which he was eating. The boy was then given to a certain man of the Muslims and he (the prophet) commanded regarding her. So a pit was dug for her, and he gave orders about her and she was stoned to death. Khalid was one of those who were throwing stones at her. He threw a stone at her. When a drop of blood fell on his cheek, he abused her. The prophet said to him: "Gently, Khalid. By Him in Whose hand my soul is, she has repented to such an extent that if one who wrongfully takes an extra tax were to repent to a like extent, he would be forgiven". Then giving command regarding her, prayed over her and she was buried.""

Here is a stark contrast between the two men. When Jesus dealt with the adulterous woman, He did not condemn her. He commanded her to go and sin no more. He gave her a chance for redemption – the very model of mercy. Jesus offered this chance to the woman. Under the law, the Jews could have stoned the woman to death, but Christ's love and compassion was much greater.

Muhammad’s approach was much different. At first, he tried to dismiss the adulterous woman. She confessed her sin to him, but he refused to hear her and deal with it. Instead, he told her to go back. This occurred three times. Three times Muhammad ran from dealing with the situation. Finally, after the women's consistent confession, Muhammad was forced to confront her sin. He allowed her to give birth, suckle and then wean the child, which could have taken 1 to 3 years. Then she returned and Muhammad had her killed. This woman not only confessed, but she repented. She was a good mother to her child and she was a responsible member of her community. Couldn't Muhammad have forgiven her as he had so many other types of sinners? Muhammad allowed many others off for the sins they committed. Even people who had killed his family members were forgiven if they confessed he was a prophet of God and there was only one God. But Muhammad was unable to deal compassionately with the woman. He couldn't see beyond his nose. He couldn't see that she had turned her life around, properly raised her child, and was doing the right thing. Muhammad's shortsightedness caused her death.

Muhammad did not even deal with it after Judaic law. In Moses' law, the adulterer was to be stoned to death. Muhammad did not do so, he gave the woman several years to live. Even if you take into account the respite to give birth to a child, Muhammad waited until the woman weaned the child. Surely there were other women who could have nursed the child. Muhammad simply dealt with the situation as best, (or not best) as he could; Muhammad made up his own rules as he went along.


WAR - TREATMENT OF ADVERSARIES

JESUS: In Luke 9:54, 55 Jesus rebuked His disciples when they wanted to destroy a town that rejected Him. Also, in Luke 22:52, Jesus' disciples started to fight against those that came to arrest Jesus, He stopped them, and healed a man injured in the fight.

MUHAMMAD: told his followers to aggressively make war on non-Muslims: 9:5, 29. Sura 9 was one of the last Suras given by Muhammad. Initially, when Muhammad's group was weak, he ordered his followers to try to get along with other people. After the Muslims became powerful, he ordered them to spread Islam by force. Abu Bakr, Umar, and Uthman continued his wars of aggression. A few of Muhammad’s actions include:

The massacre of approximately 800 Jewish male captives: (noted in Sura 33:26). He ordered the execution of 10 people when he took Mecca. Three of these people were slave girls who had previously made fun of Muhammad. Refer to "The Life of Muhammad", pages 551 and 552. He attacked the Jewish city of Khaibar where he took one of the Jewish leaders and tortured him to force him to tell where some buried money was. After the man refused to talk, and was near death, Muhammad ordered that his head be cut off. Refer to "The Life of Muhammad", page 515.

No one would envision Jesus ordering the execution of slave girls for mocking him years earlier. He brought a better message and a better way of life. No one would imagine Jesus having a man tortured to reveal buried money. His life was free of greed.

Muhammad could be a very brutal man. Does killing a few slave girls for mocking him seem justified?. Is having them killed for that justified? Does it seem rational or sensible? Does torturing a man just to get money portray the type of man society should follow, obey, and emulate?

WOMEN & MARRIAGE

JESUS: was not married. He healed women, forgave women, and encouraged women. The New Testament teaches that husbands should love their wives and not be harsh with them: Col. 3:19, Eph. 5:25, that men and women are equal in Christ - Gal 3:28, that they should be treated with respect - 1 Pet 3:7.

MUHAMMAD: commanded his male followers to beat their disobedient wives. He gave men the right to beat their wives who persistently disobeyed them. Sura 4:34 "As those you fear may be rebellious admonish, banish them to their couches, and beat them." The above verse was revealed in connection with a woman who complained to Muhammad that her husband slapped her on the face, which was still marked by the slap. At first Muhammad said to her "Get even with him", but then added 'Wait until I think about it". Later on the above verse was revealed, and Muhammad added, 'We (He and the woman) wanted one thing, Allah wanted another.

The Hadith also said much about women:

Muhammad said that women are generally so evil, that they will make up the majority of people in to hell. Continuing with Bukhari, Vol. 1, #301: "O women! Give alms, as I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-fire were you (women). They [women] asked, "Why is it so, O Allah's Apostle?" He replied, "You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands." Bukhari Vol. 1, #28: "The Prophet said, "I was shown the Hell-fire and the majority of its dwellers were women who were ungrateful." It was asked, "Do they disbelieve in Allah?" (or are they ungrateful to Allah?), he replied, "They are ungrateful to their husbands and are ungrateful for the favors and the good done to them...." Sahih Muslim says they are the minority in Paradise: Volume 4, #6600: "Imran Husain reported that Allah's messenger said: Amongst the inmates of Paradise the women would form a minority." By putting these two Hadith together, we find that Muhammad said that women were the minority in Paradise, and the majority in hell. Therefore it is not a statistical ratio due to the possibility that there are more women than men. Muhammad viewed women as more sinful than men. And the reason more women are in hell is because the women were ungrateful to their husbands Muhammad also declared that women are less intelligent than men:
Bukhari, Volume 1, #301:

"...Then he (Muhammad) passed by the women and said, "O women, give alms as I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-fire were you (women)." they asked, "Why is it so O Allah's messenger?" He replied, "You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you." The women asked, "O Allah's messenger, what is deficient in our intelligence and religion?" He said, "Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?" They replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her intelligence....."

Christ's teachings show that women and men are equal in God's sight. "There is neither male nor female in Christ". Socially, Christ dealt with them according to the Father's mercy.

Muhammad positioned females as in between slave and free. Even today in Islamic countries women are regulated to being second class and controlled by the males. This is because of where Muhammad placed them in his teachings.

PRAYER

JESUS: taught His disciples to pray simply, and from the heart. God listens to the heart, not the outward form: Matt: 6:5-13: "But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words..."
Jesus taught that true prayer was an expression of relationship and communication with a heavenly Father.

MUHAMMAD: taught formalized prayer ritual: (quotes are from Bukhari, Vol. 1) 488 - passing in front of a praying person annuls his prayer 489 - it's a sin to pass in front of someone while they're praying
660 - don't raise from prayer before the Imam {Muslim cleric leading the formal, ritualized prayers), or God will turn your face into a donkey's face 685 - if the prayer rows (of men) aren't straight, God will alter your faces 690 - if the prayer rows aren't straight, the prayer is not good 717 - if you look up during prayer, you'll lose your eyesight 759 - if you don't perform the bowing perfectly, your prayers are not accepted

HEAVEN:

John 14:1-3 - "Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God; trust also in me. In my Father's house are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am." (NIV)

John 11:25-26 - Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies; and whoever lives and believes in me will never die. Do you believe this?" (NIV)

“At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven” (Matthew 22:30).

MUHAMMAD:

72 Virgins Anyone? :twitch:

These men were quite different. Both have left their marks upon the world. Christians follow Christ, Muslims follow Muhammad. Both claimed to have been from God, but their teachings and actions contradict each other. Only one could have truly been from God

Jesus said that false prophets would come: Matthew 24:11 - "And many false prophets shall arise and shall deceive many". Is it possible that Muhammad falls into the false prophet category? Yes.

[Chaz]

way to quote websites/flood the page fag.

[sunil]

jesus was a drunk, have you tasted his blood? fuck was he a piss head or what!

[OwenHart4Life]

Why can't people have their own beliefs and just shut the fuck up about them? Nobody is right, nobody is wrong. Believe what you want and live your own life. Stop worrying about what everyone else is doing and thinking.

[Jeggo]

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Gotta get over that wall of text. Chaz you can come with.

[Chaz]

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Gotta get over that wall of text. Chaz you can come with.

GET TO THE ROFLCOPTA!!!!!

[Jeggo]

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[TruthBeTold]

Why can't people have their own beliefs and just shut the fuck up about them? Nobody is right, nobody is wrong. Believe what you want and live your own life. Stop worrying about what everyone else is doing and thinking.

Hi Owen

That is precisely the problem, in the West everybody has freedom of choice and religion. But in the East people are oppresed, if you want to be an Atheist, Christian, Jew, Hindu, Buddhist or any other faith, you either get persecuted or you are treated like a second class citizen, there are severe disiqualites and discrimination from Muslims. The bottom line is that people are treated like garbage and theres nothing we can do about it.

PS: I notice there is a forum called Septic Tank for spamming, could you please delete all the spam in this thread and if possible bann the people spamming?

[OwenHart4Life]

PS: I notice there is a forum called Septic Tank for spamming, could you please delete all the spam in this thread and if possible bann the people spamming?

No. Didn't you read the rules, queerbait?

[Chaz]

No. Didn't you read the rules, queerbait?

lolololololol

[Jaggedspine]

PS: I notice there is a forum called Septic Tank for spamming, could you please delete all the spam in this thread and if possible bann the people spamming?

Yes, by all means, get yourself banned. I consider my interjections to be far more valuable than your walls of retard-o-text. In fact, a lot of what you are saying just begs for this thread itself to be moved to the tank so that I, along with, I suspect, many others, can shit on this thread as it so richly deserves. I could shoot down your retard-o points, but I learned a long time ago that things like "logic" and "facts" don't work with religious bigots like you.

*Edit* By the way, just because you use the word "fact" doesn't make what you are saying a "fact". It just means you know the word "fact" without knowing its definition or proper application.

[TruthBeTold]

Yes, by all means, get yourself banned. I consider my interjections to be far more valuable than your walls of retard-o-text. In fact, a lot of what you are saying just begs for this thread itself to be moved to the tank so that I, along with, I suspect, many others, can shit on this thread as it so richly deserves. I could shoot down your retard-o points, but I learned a long time ago that things like "logic" and "facts" don't work with religious bigots like you.

*Edit* By the way, just because you use the word "fact" doesn't make what you are saying a "fact". It just means you know the word "fact" without knowing its definition or proper application.


Really you learned something? I'm impressed. Your "valuable points" are stupid comments that add nothing to the content of this debate. People like you don't know life as it happens outside their basement, nor do they care. So far claims don't make an argument, I've heard many claims from people that could do many wonders, yet they can't. You fit those shoes rather nicely. Go read a book or something for once and perhaps try to live outside of a game, do some charity work and get out of your bubble. People like you only understand two things, swearing and making people miserable.

[Twisted]

Really you learned something? I'm impressed. Your "valuable points" are stupid comments that add nothing to the content of this debate. People like you don't know life as it happens outside their basement, nor do they care. So far claims don't make an argument, I've heard many claims from people that could do many wonders, yet they can't. You fit those shoes rather nicely. Go read a book or something for once and perhaps try to live outside of a game, do some charity work and get out of your bubble. People like you only understand two things, swearing and making people miserable.

Why do you talk? Shouldn't you be busy praying or some shit?

Homo.

[Jaggedspine]

Really you learned something? I'm impressed. Your "valuable points" are stupid comments that add nothing to the content of this debate. People like you don't know life as it happens outside their basement, nor do they care. So far claims don't make an argument, I've heard many claims from people that could do many wonders, yet they can't. You fit those shoes rather nicely. Go read a book or something for once and perhaps try to live outside of a game, do some charity work and get out of your bubble. People like you only understand two things, swearing and making people miserable.

Why use reason, logic, or plausible analysis? You just demonstrated that you're a bigot that isn't interested in what other people have to say. :)

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By the way, for the XBOX people out there... I have a gamerscore that isn't divisible by five! Hooray!

[TruthBeTold]

Why use reason, logic, or plausible analysis? You just demonstrated that you're a bigot that isn't interested in what other people have to say. :)

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By the way, for the XBOX people out there... I have a gamerscore that isn't divisible by five! Hooray!

I am interested in what everyone has to say, but if I don't agree with something I will debate against it. Most of the things said here were in favor of Muslims, I disagree because I have experieneced them first hand and I know what real life is like, not what your ideas of Islam are. Those violent verses are followed by MANY.

[Jeggo]

LoL You told Jaggedspine to go read a book.

Jagged aren't you majoring in like Über Advanced Physics or something?

TBT. You are the retard.

Christian Terrorists? There are lots of them.

http://www.godhatesfags.com/

There is one. The KKK aswell. You are the fucking retard.

[Chaz]

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neither does this thread, move to septic tank plz.

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I concur

[Jaggedspine]

LoL You told Jaggedspine to go read a book.

Jagged aren't you majoring in like Über Advanced Physics or something?

Well, yeah, I'm going for my Ph.D. currently. I read enough at work, thanks (though I just did read a few books for fun, now that you mention it...).

[Lethalmilkshake]

So I'm watching some porn, and I hear the funniest line ever.

"Shut the fuck up!. I'm a master of the custodial arts, I'm not a fucking janitor."

[Nightmare9641]

lol wtf?

[TruthBeTold]

LoL You told Jaggedspine to go read a book.

Jagged aren't you majoring in like Über Advanced Physics or something?

TBT. You are the retard.

Christian Terrorists? There are lots of them.

http://www.godhatesfags.com/

There is one. The KKK aswell. You are the fucking retard.

Last time I checked when you are a member of a club and you go against the rules you get kicked out. That website you provided and the KKK clearly go against Christ's teachings. And please don't go off quoting Old Testament, because Christians don't follow that. My point was made, I can see I am throwing pearls to swine. Thank you for all that added some intellectual content, for the others, enjoy your lives.

Goodbye

[Twisted]

i realized i iz dum kbai.


k

[Jaggedspine]

Goodbye

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[Mystic]

Lol will you finally stop posting crap?

[coolie]

I think he finally understood he's an idiot.

[Mystic]

Wow.. that took him a while to figure out.

[Jaggedspine]

Well yeah, it's hard to figure things out when you're either dumb as hell, or a zealot that only listens to the voices in your own head.

[OwenHart4Life]

Well yeah, it's hard to figure things out when you're either dumb as hell, or a zealot that only listens to the voices in your own head.

FOR ADUN!

[Jaggedspine]

Ha!

[Gamble]

neither does this thread, move to septic tank plz.

shitty resolution paired with a shitty joke is shitty
FOR ADUN!

wat now calls?