What do you think would be a suitable punishment for saddam?

[Serpent]

Since some ppl are saying that hanging in their opinion wasnt a suitable punishment for him.
What do you think one would be?
Note: there will be a poll with this. Also torture will be on the list if chosen plz tell us why whether it be for extracting info or just to exact revenge.

i think gas chamber should of been a suitable punishment.

[Kevin13]

Firing squad sounds intresting

[Splinter]

Public service of the casulties of his doings and what sprouted off them. Sentence in power for the remaining life of Saddam Hussien.

[Serpent]

yeah i ran out of ideas about that time.

[Splinter]

Yo Serpent. Wtf.

Why do you want to kill Saddam, no matter what? My whole point was that taking his life away is letting him off easy. He doesn't care. He's destroyed. He was taken out of power, his borhters, cousins and allies are all dead. He couldn't care less...

[Serpent]

but not killing him is letting him off easy as well. he ordered several ppl tortured and killed not killing him would be a injustice to his victims.

From what i understand of the muslim faith killing a fellow muslim is punishable by death.
Granted i dont know alot about islam but from what i've asked a pakistani brigadier General about islam i asked him about muslims killing other muslims he said that if he killed his friend he would get sent to a tribunal for trial and then if convicted he would get sentenced to death.

[Splinter]

Yeah. Do I give a fuk about what he thinks?

Killing him is letting him off easy. It lasts two seconds. Then he's done. And you're stuck there crying to yourself.

I'd rather have him think about it for the rest of his life. The worst fate you can have is watching your life go by helplessly, while others are out there doing their stuff.

He should be put in a place where he could hear the people yelling at him.

Ok, now he's dead. Great. What the fuk to do now? Absolutely nothing. Do you believe in heave and hell? Well, if you do, he's laughing at everybody right now. He takes your picture and shits on it and laughs.

There are worst things than death, Serpent.

[Bloodlvst]

I'm guessing Splinter is the only other person other than myself to put life sentence. Good work, I see us Canucks realize there's punishments other than death, that are not just more humane, but more effective in actually punishing the one to be punished.

[Noob]

Ok, now he's dead. Great. What the fuk to do now? Absolutely nothing. Do you believe in heave and hell? Well, if you do, he's laughing at everybody right now. He takes your picture and shits on it and laughs.

So you're saying he went to Heaven? :confused:
If there is a Hell, i'm pretty sure he's in it and I doubt he's having a good time having his soul tortured for eternity. No time for shitting on pictures (wtf?).

But I don't believe in the afterlife so, meh.

[Raikoh]

Reading your threads x.x alot of these kind of threadsgoing on. Anyway, i couldn't careless..gassed and strung while getting nadedor some cool shit...

[GenDeathRaiser]

Death is far greater than life, Life has all them possibilities of parole and shit, he's sitting in a cell regardless till he dies, time is just counting down. It's not a punishment, life sucking is far better than no life, theres nothing to compare life too, and who knows maybe when you die you have to do whatever you did while dying forever zomg, maybe he's hanging in hell.

[Serpent]

Death is far greater than life, Life has all them possibilities of parole and shit, he's sitting in a cell regardless till he dies, time is just counting down. It's not a punishment, life sucking is far better than no life, theres nothing to compare life too, and who knows maybe when you die you have to do whatever you did while dying forever zomg, maybe he's hanging in hell.

or maybe hes getting a pineapple shoved up his ass like hitler on little nicky :D

[Bloodlvst]

Death is far greater than life, Life has all them possibilities of parole and shit, he's sitting in a cell regardless till he dies, time is just counting down. It's not a punishment, life sucking is far better than no life, theres nothing to compare life too, and who knows maybe when you die you have to do whatever you did while dying forever zomg, maybe he's hanging in hell.

Your argument is a little weak though. Like what was said before, he has nothing left to live for, everything he had has crumbled to to earth before him. Let's leave heaven and hell out of this, because our beliefs don't really mean shit here. But basically by killing him, he doesn't have to be haunted the rest of his life. Take it from a psychological standpoint. Sure you can kill people and move on, but when all you have is 4 walls around you, that sort of thing starts to pick away at you. It becomes agonizing. We could assume he goes to hell, but what if there's no hell. Hell what if we all die we just become free roaming spirits. Then he has escaped the torture of spending the rest of his days haunted / having a shitty life here. Death is always the easy way out.

[Serpent]

even then leaving him alive could be risky because his followers could try to break him out and attempt to bring him back into power. did you think of that?

not killing him would be like leaving hitler alive if we caught him and sentenced him to a life sentence, its too risky for several reasons.

[Lethalmilkshake]

even then leaving him alive could be risky because his followers could try to break him out and attempt to bring him back into power. did you think of that?

not killing him would be like leaving hitler alive if we caught him and sentenced him to a life sentence, its too risky for several reasons.

LOL, not really, no. The most Sadam could do even if he was broken out of jail, which would NEVER happen, is start a TINY army, probably less than 100 men, and at that point, word would have already gotten out, and then we'd jsut kill him. Same for Hitler, and really, it doesn't matter now, he's dead why are you still contemplating what should have been done.

[Serpent]

its a opinion thread cuz in the other thread with the vid some ppl have said that hanging was too easy a punishment. thats why i made this thread to see what we would of chosen if we were the judges.

[Nightmare9641]

Hmm what's firing Squad????
Anyway.. I chose Torture for revenge.... And for getting info.
We could have tortured him to an extent where he lives, but leave him alone, only to get tortured another time...
:) That's real torture.
I know a method... You stick knives up his finger and toenails..... That hurts a fucking bunch.

[irleetman]

By torture, I mean that they should tie his right arm, leftg arm, right leg, and left leg all to differnet horses, and say "Giddeup!"

[Defiance]

Torture.

Firstly, to extract every. Single. Bit. Of. Information. Out. Of. Him.

Secondly, to make his death slow, and painful... IE..

DOING THIS PART SLOWELY

cut off 1 finger, than another till no more fingers, than toes.
Let heal.
Cute of lowers parts of legs, sew back up.
Let Heal.
Cut off lower parts of arms, sew back up.
Let Heal.
Cut of balls, sew back up.
Let Heal.
Cut of his dick, sew back up.
Let heal.
Cut of remainder of legs, sew back up.
Let Heal.
Cut off remainder of arms, sew back up.
Let Heal.
Than ever so much more slowly, slits his neck until whats left of his blood poors out.
If he is even alive then.
Let Die.



And that is how your painfully torture a man to death.

[Lethalmilkshake]

Well he would have died from blood loss just from the legs.

[Aramanon]

I think Saddam should have gotten to meet Serpent IRL, cuz we know how much he'd have tortured him :rolleyes:.

[Serpent]

a firing squad is just that a line of ppl with guns to shoot at saddam. i think the mexicans and i think the french did it before the 1930s.

[Bloodlvst]

Well he would have died from blood loss just from the legs.

No, all you gotta do is take a hot iron to the leg.

[Lethalmilkshake]

No, all you gotta do is take a hot iron to the leg.

Yeah, I like how thats mentoned in his post.

[Recon]

Torture.

Firstly, to extract every. Single. Bit. Of. Information. Out. Of. Him.

Secondly, to make his death slow, and painful... IE..

DOING THIS PART SLOWELY

cut off 1 finger, than another till no more fingers, than toes.
Let heal.
Cute of lowers parts of legs, sew back up.
Let Heal.
Cut off lower parts of arms, sew back up.
Let Heal.
Cut of balls, sew back up.
Let Heal.
Cut of his dick, sew back up.
Let heal.
Cut of remainder of legs, sew back up.
Let Heal.
Cut off remainder of arms, sew back up.
Let Heal.
Than ever so much more slowly, slits his neck until whats left of his blood poors out.
If he is even alive then.
Let Die.



And that is how your painfully torture a man to death.
That's far more than gross.

You must check out one of my thread about the Unit 731.
That is even more cooler. :eek:

[Splinter]

I'm still going to have to go with Blood on this one, 'cuz he seems to know what I mean when talking about Death as an escape.


GDR, I can see you're a good catholic/christian boy and everything, in reality, Life is by far greater than Death. You live for several decades. You can die in a split second. Literally. You can seize to exist in a split second.

Death is just the end of the cycle. And no, you're not remembered why or how you died, or even for the fact that you died. You are remembered of what you've done in your Life.

That's why I can't understand any of these retarded religious idiots, who basically live to die. You live because you have a porpuse. Living to die is the most pointless and vegitative thing I can think of. You might as well just die right now. You're a waste of oxygen.


Blood is right. The walls get to you. You will hate yourself so much Death is by far a gift...

...The U.S. gave him that gift.


And Serpent, no, there is no such thing as "Somebody might bust him out." That only happens in the movies.

These are guerilla forces, bro. The only training they have is Aim and Shoot.


And FFS Serpent, I didn't think Hanging was an easy let-off for Saddam.

I thought taking away his LIFE was an easy let-off.Taking away a life can be anything that kills. That means I thought everything in your Opinion poll that has to do with taking a life is an easy let-off.

Understand it now?

[Lethalmilkshake]

And Serpent, no, there is no such thing as "Somebody might bust him out." That only happens in the movies.

These are guerilla forces, bro. The only training they have is Aim and Shoot.

Minus the "Aim" part.


And FFS Serpent, I didn't think Hanging was an easy let-off for Saddam.

I thought taking away his LIFE was an easy let-off.Taking away a life can be anything that kills. That means I thought everything in your Opinion poll that has to do with taking a life is an easy let-off.

Do you seriously think Saddam cares about the ammount of people he had killed? They were at war, people die.

Understand it now?

Yeh

[Splinter]

Lethal...

Do you know of what he was actually convicted of? Do you know when he commited the crime?

Better look it up before I tell you they were in no war when he commited the worst.

[Serpent]

the reason why they died the religious zealots is because they believe that they get 40 something virgins in heaven when they die.

oh and prison breaks still happen even today. just like bank robbery,murders,etc.. granted prison breaks may not happen as often but they still happen.

oh and splinter in a opinion poll everyone is right there is no wrong answer. yes you can disagree with someone but in the end its still their opinion of what they believe to be right.

so saying that blood is right is just saying that you agree with him thats all nothing more.

[Splinter]

Ohhh. Shiiit.

Serpent. Where do I start?

First off, in my 1000 page lecture to educate Serpent on the meaning of reality checks...

Prison breaks do happen...

...in regular prisons. It's Saddam. The "long wanted dictator of Iraq". He'll obvioulsy be kept in a top High Security Facility, a.k.a. the place where people watch you with every inch of their eye take a dump. Have fun with the "prison" break...

About the "religious zealots"...

Well, see if you wouldn't act like a douche everytime I say something and ask your "Brigadier General" to say something completely different, this would be a completely different story.

But now you're just an idiot.

I'll try to put it in easier-to-understand terms for you...Let's try a bedtime story type of thing:

There are Sunnis and Shi'as, and a few other types, but that's not important right now. They are both of Muslim belief, except for that little difference where one calls their prophet Muhammad adn the other Mirza Ghulam Ahmad.

Along comes little Saddamy, who was abused all his life as a child by his drunken father, gets trained by the 'wrong' source and eventually takes over the country of Iraq by force. He is a fanatic and ditches his religion for his own religion, where most of the prohibited, according to the Qu'ran (equivalent to the bible), becomes everyday life.

He rules and rules and he couldn't be happier as a dictator. But he gets bored. He picks fights with many many of the peoples and finally a group known as the Kurds opposie him.

He isn't too happy about it, so after finishing his crayon colouring page, he orders a gas bombing of a Kurdish Village killing the entire population and raising the casualty count almost into the 4 digits.

This causes an uproar among the different types of Muslims, but because Saddam has the military and the militia along his side, he dominates.

Several massacres occur and he ends up killing a number of people that could drive a pro-life wanker to burry himself alive.

That's the 'untold' story of the life of Mr. Saddam Hussein Abd al-Majid al-Tikriti.

By: Splinter

It would be nice to know what the fuck you are talking about before making a fucking opinion or posting an opinion about it. All of you who make up some random bullshit. It's like those little retard kids who you ask to try something and they say "I don't like it". How the fuck would you know? You don't even know what it is...

P.S.: I didn't say your opinions were wrong, even though chances are if you don't know what you're making an opinion about, they are wrong. I was saying I disagree with GDR on how Life is far greater than Death.

[Serpent]

opinions are based off of the info you have read or seen on say tv or talked to someone IN the faith like the general ali khan that i referred to or my math teacher from isreal whos a muslim.

so i do know what i am talking about somewhat but like i said in a previous post i dont all about the muslim faith but i know enough to hold a somewhat decent conversation about it.

Saddam being held in Qatar: report

April 7, 2004 - 10:05AM

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Deposed Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein is being held at a US military base in Qatar, rather than in Iraq, a British newspaper said.

Following his capture by US forces in December last year, Saddam was first moved to a US aircraft carrier in the Gulf for interrogation, the Independent newspaper reported, without citing its sources.

He was then - at a time not specified by the report - transferred to Qatar under great secrecy, with even the state's royal family not informed of his presence.

Major violence in Iraq over recent days which has seen more than 100 Iraqis killed as well as 20 coalition troops, meant Qatar was now seen as a far safer place to keep the ousted leader, the paper added.

In December, Qatar's government dismissed earlier news reports that Saddam had been moved to the emirate, while Iraq's interim Governing Council insisted that he was still being held in Baghdad.

At the end of the last month, Saddam's wife left Syria for Qatar, according to a Jordanian lawyer who says she retained him to represent her husband.

[Squirrelly]

*sigh* this issue always brings up many, many qualms.

Where to begin, first, before you post about something touchy, take a deep breath and relax on the flaming.

With that said, moving along, he did get off easy, he was put to death in the easiest way possible. His neck snapped immediatly, he felt no pain. He was even cheering as he was about to be hung.

Reality check do you Splinter, there is no utopia where people can't be broken out of anywhere. To all of you, realize the country he would have been held in and realize, as much as the USA claims to be on top of the ball, we are not. He would have gotten out, or attempted to. Even if he didn't succeed, it would have created far to much violence for something like this. There is no such thing as security these days, so don't hide behind that word.

So no, I'm not saying we shouldn't have put him to death all together, he had that coming, but we were far to quick to do so. I personally picked other, why, because I believe it wasn't in our hands to do what we did. It wasn't our people he gassed and killed, it wasn't our place to do it. We should have handed him over to the Kuwaities and everyone else he had rolled over.

But contimplate this, how did he get the power he got, how did he get all the weapons he had to do what he did? If you don't know this answer, you should not even be making posts here. Another thing, don't answer this, its retorical, I want those who do not know it to feel absolutely silly for trying to sound smart, then feeling like an idiot when they do not even know what this man did and how he did it. Some people only know the recent events, not everyone knows the past on this subject. So let them have to go into research.

[Serpent]

we didnt sentence him we just found him and gaurded him. his own muslim peers judged him to be guilty and gave him his sentence.

[Squirrelly]

I'm always using sarcasm, I know they judged him, but how much do you think the US's hands were out of the judging? They may say one thing, but I cannot trust what they broadcast as what they possibly did.

[IceDemon]

The US wanted him dead. We probably had a hand in it but are covering our asses.

[Serpent]

thats probably true but since we are at the mercy of the arab nations or specifically OPEC we probably just gaurded Saddam and just let his muslim peers judge him.

[Squirrelly]

We caught him, do you how heavily the US delegates would have used that to sway their decisions?

[Serpent]

but at the same time we are at the mercy of the oil rish arab nations so there goes our sway FAST....plus we really dont have a right to judge him or influence anyone to that fact anyway since yes we did capture him, yes we did guard him.
what did he do to us for us to warrant us to judge him, sentence him, or even influence someone to do it for us?

really he did nothing cuz the last time we encountered him was in 1991 when he invaded kuwait but we left because the other arab nations said to leave so we did. When we invaded iraq we lost the right to prosecute saddam, or even influence a judging in his trial.

[Squirrelly]

Look, I agree that at one point we were swayed easily by the Arab Nations, but even they are caught off guard by the tenacity of the Bush administration. What you may fail to realize is that Bush Sr. was actually an amazing delegate and he could easily negotiate situations. He got nearly the whole world to rally up on his side to take down Saddam, he knew when to step down.

This is a new era, I hate to accept that, but it is, where we have a fool at the helm. This idiot has convinced to many people that we actually needed to go to Iraq, that WE needed to capture Saddam. So I highly, HIGHLY doubt, that the USA kept their hands out of this judging.

How do these nations know that they wont' be blaimed for having W.M.D.'s next? If this idiot could convince as many as he did with so little evidence to back these claims, obviously turning up nothing...but still there. Who is to say that he couldn't turn and do the same thing to them?

[Serpent]

and i highly doubt that we had a hand in it simply because WE are at the mercy of the arab nations because the US heavily relies on them for oil so pissing off the arab nations who have oil would be a bad idea, plus if they asked to judge him in their courts which evidentally they did and since the US respects all religions,cultures,etc.. would of most likely let them and only them judge him under muslim laws and such since he killed muslims not only in iraq but in kuwait also.

also i talked to my father about this he said ffrom his knowledge we let the arabs do the trial without any US intervention and he said probably the only thing we asked is that you add charges of war crimes for both the gulf war and this war.

btw my father is a O-6 or Captain in the navy(colonel in the army) and since hes in the intelligence part of the navy i can ask him pretty much anything and only get was is not classified.

[Squirrelly]

You just keep repeating the same thing over and over. I'm sorry, no disrespect to your father, but I don't think he would know everything either. You can believe what you want to believe, believe that the USA government absolutely fears the Arab Nations now, even though this adminstration doesn't at all.

[Serpent]

umm why would we fear the arab nations? yes they can cut off our oil supply but we have oil on our soil but greenpeace(i think thats right) and other hippie groups try to keep us from drilling for the oil right under our feet.

but seriously i highly doubt we fear the arabs. if any country we would afraid of is Russia and China. Either country could launch a full scale assault and finish the US off fairly quickly and just tossing aside any allies that try to save us.

[Squirrelly]

...so you just took back everything you've been basing your debate upon. So you agree with me that you highly doubt this current administration fears the Arab Nations? I wouldn't fear Russia right now, I would fear China not for a direct assualt upon us, but for the growing tensions out there. The fact that they are practicing missle drills pointed right on Taiwan, who insists upon the fact that they are independent while China disagrees, is not a good thing. Meaning North Korea, backing China in nearly everything they do, would jump right in if China ever launched an assault upon Taiwan. Which would then mean South Korea would jump in as well, at this point, that means we go in. So basically...China being an asshole towards Taiwan could lead to the next great war.